{"id":608312,"date":"2023-02-15T07:48:53","date_gmt":"2023-02-15T13:48:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.sellorbuyhomefast.com\/index.php\/2023\/02\/15\/why-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms\/"},"modified":"2023-02-15T07:48:53","modified_gmt":"2023-02-15T13:48:53","slug":"why-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newsycanuse.com\/index.php\/2023\/02\/15\/why-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms\/","title":{"rendered":"Why podcast ad buyers are hesitant to spend through demand-side platforms"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Despite improvements in podcast advertising that have made it easier to buy ads through programmatic channels, buyers are slow to adopt true programmatic podcast buying through a demand-side platform, according to buyers who spoke with Digiday.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>There are a variety of reasons for this: host-read ads are still king in the medium, not all podcast networks or shows have inventory available to buy programmatically, and buyers often feel the need to vet the content to ensure contextual alignment when targeting specific audience segments or category verticals across a number of podcast networks.<\/p>\n<div id=\"piano-meter-offer\">\n<p>However, while some buyers have little to no interest in buying ads through a DSP, others are planning to test out or put more money into buying ads programmatically this year, as the technology and targeting and measurement capabilities continue to improve and more inventory becomes available to buy programmatically, according to conversations with four buyers.<\/p>\n<p>The share of podcast ad dollars being spent programmatically remains a sliver of podcast ad spending. In 2021, programmatic <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iab.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/IAB-FY-2021-Podcast-Ad-Revenue-and-2022-2024-Growth-Projections_FINAL.pdf\">represented 2% of total podcast spend<\/a>, per the Interactive Advertising Bureau. By 2024, it will account for just shy of 10% of U.S. podcast ad spending, predicted Insider Intelligence.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cProgrammatic is still relatively in its infancy in the audio space compared to other channels in media,\u201d said Robyn Meyers, vp of programmatic for AdsWizz.<\/p>\n<p>Why are some podcast ad buyers resistant to buying ads through a DSP? One of the reasons is certain inventory isn\u2019t yet available to buy programmatically, buyers said. Larger buys, sponsorships, host-read ads and custom formats are typically bought directly from a platform such as Spotify, Pandora or iHeartMedia, buyers told Digiday.<\/p>\n<p>Maria Tullin, vp and managing director of advanced and digital audio at Horizon Media, said buying podcast ad inventory through a DSP is \u201cnot appealing to my team.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kristen Coseo, director of podcast and digital audio strategy at Ocean Media, said her team prefers to work directly with networks due to the relationships they\u2019ve built. \u201cThe majority of the reps that we work with, we\u2019ve been working with them for a lot of years now. So the trust is there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Buying podcast ads through a DSP would also, in some ways, mean more work for the agency, Coseo said. Her team would need to ensure everything is running efficiently and monitor results, she said. When working directly with a podcast network, the network \u201csets everything up based off the parameters we give them. By going direct, we are putting trust in our partner to make sure they are selecting the correct targeting parameters and setting up our campaign as we requested,\u201d she added.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s also more difficult for brands with smaller budgets to bid for a \u201cpreferred placement\u201d \u2014 such as an ad placed in a top podcast show \u2014 on a DSP, said Mark Pappas, svp of innovation at CMI.<\/p>\n<p>One buyer \u2014\u00a0who did not feel comfortable speaking on the record to summarize agencies\u2019 hesitancy to buy podcast ads programmatically \u2014 said there is a \u201csect of the podcast ecosystem that is anti-programmatic that does not exist in other mediums,\u201d which they believe is due to being \u201cburned\u201d by <a href=\"https:\/\/digiday.com\/marketing\/dsp-squeeze-buyers\/\">issues with programmatic display ad buying<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Why some buyers prefer programmatic<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>For those buyers who are transacting through a DSP, the biggest benefit is better reporting. Buyers can see which shows and episodes the ads ran in and can control frequency management, or how many ads were served in a specific household. This can\u2019t be done (yet) with direct buys, two buyers said. That being said, iHeartMedia CEO Conal Byrne said the company offers that level of reporting for its direct-sold inventory.<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Just buying an audience or buying a content vertical doesn\u2019t give you quite enough guardrails.<\/p>\n<p>Molly Schultz, svp of integrated investment at UM<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Molly Schultz, svp of integrated investment at UM, said her team prefers to buy through a DSP because they can target a specific audience segment across networks. Because of this, buying ads through a DSP is also better for clients that have smaller budgets and can\u2019t \u201ccommit to massive spends,\u201d CMI\u2019s Pappas said. Clients can test the podcast space with those smaller budgets going into DSPs to get their \u201cfeet wet with audio,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s also a pricing strategy: programmatic buying means \u201cbeing able to pay what the market demand is,\u201d Schultz said. Programmatic buying gives a \u201creal-time rate,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p>Despite Schultz\u2019s preference for buying podcast ads programmatically, she noted her team still has to vet a host and the content of a podcast series by having direct conversations with networks. \u201cThe same types of third-party verification tools that we use [for other media channels] aren\u2019t available when within podcasts. So we do have to rely on a lot of first-party intel to help ensure safety,\u201d Schultz said. \u201cJust buying an audience or buying a content vertical doesn\u2019t give you quite enough guardrails. You still have to dig in a little deeper,\u201d she added.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Expect to see more programmatic buying in podcasts<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Bob Hunt, senior director of audio at Omnicom\u00a0Media Group\u2019s Hearts &#038; Science, said the agency is spending slightly higher than the 2% share in IAB\u2019s report of advertisers\u2019 podcast spend in programmatic channels. But his team wants to put even more money into DSPs.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere is a desire to grow that percentage,\u201d he said. Hunt declined to say how much more of a share will go to programmatic channels, but said he believes more money will go into DSPs as more advertisers test out the podcast space.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe are increasingly having conversations with both the partner landscape, as well as clients, about the ability to transact programmatically. About 12-18 months ago, it was very much an idea, something that you could do, versus in 2023 we are actually trying to make that a reality,\u201d Hunt said.<\/p>\n<p>The main reasons for the lag are a significant portion of podcast inventory is only available to buy directly from a network and many top podcast shows sell out of their direct inventory, with no inventory leftover to place into an SSP, Hunt said. However, both Hunt and Schultz said they are also seeing more networks make more inventory available on SSPs. That, combined with the fact that DSPs have improved their analytics to provide show and episode-level reporting, means buying podcast ads through a DSP has become \u201ca much more attractive proposition,\u201d Hunt said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Coseo said Ocean Media \u201cmight start to dip our toes\u201d in buying ads through a DSP this year, to see if programmatic buying is a more efficient or effective way to purchase inventory for clients, she said.<\/p>\n<p>Buying podcast ads through a DSP is \u201cfairly new in podcasts,\u201d said iHeartMedia CEO Conal Byrne. \u201cIt could be a bit of another inflection point for our medium honestly, in the next 12 to 24 months as [agency holding companies] come in and start to buy more and more that way.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?utm_source=facebook&#038;utm_medium=social&#038;utm_campaign=digidaysiteshare&#038;utm_content=Why%20podcast%20ad%20buyers%20are%20hesitant%20to%20spend%20through%20demand-side%20platforms&#038;u=https%3A%2F%2Fdigiday.com%2Fmedia%2Fwhy-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms%2F\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Share on Facebook\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?utm_source=twitter&#038;utm_medium=social&#038;utm_campaign=digidaysiteshare&#038;utm_content=Why%20podcast%20ad%20buyers%20are%20hesitant%20to%20spend%20through%20demand-side%20platforms&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigiday.com%2Fmedia%2Fwhy-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms%2F&#038;via=digiday&#038;text=Why%20podcast%20ad%20buyers%20are%20hesitant%20to%20spend%20through%20demand-side%20platforms\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Share on Twitter\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/shareArticle?utm_source=linkedin&#038;utm_medium=social&#038;utm_campaign=digidaysiteshare&#038;utm_content=Why%20podcast%20ad%20buyers%20are%20hesitant%20to%20spend%20through%20demand-side%20platforms&#038;mini=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigiday.com%2Fmedia%2Fwhy-podcast-ad-buyers-are-hesitant-to-spend-through-demand-side-platforms%2F\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Share on LinkedIn\" rel=\"noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/digiday.com\/mailto:fr****@*****le.com\" data-original-string=\"vkRvedRRnD3Sa77NRX2dwg==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\" title=\"This contact has been encoded by Anti-Spam by CleanTalk. 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